May 13, 2021

# The Triple Win Deep Dive: A Conversation with Todd Ortscheid

[Andrew Smallwood](https://www.secondnature.com/podcast/author/andrew-smallwood)  
Chief Strategy Officer - Second Nature

13 May 2021 · 52 MIN

## Triple Win Property Management

It’s our first ever Toddcast with Todd Ortscheid, CEO of Revolution Rental Management. In this episode, Todd talks about his experiences with [ancillary revenue](https://www.secondnature.com/blog/ancillary-revenue-programs) and services, why he gave up Facebook, and how Professional SFR PM businesses need to create value and monetize.

[The Triple Win Deep Dive: A Conversation with Todd Ortscheid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncnzhbvQgGE) 
[Triple Win Property Management by Second Nature](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgU0bSnwVDCGU5BHnbivKMg)

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